Andre Iguodala Gets Real About Jordan Poole

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I understand the Draymond punch affected him but he was more polished in the championship year than last year. He went from torching the Nuggets to slipping on invisible banana peels every possession

Beyond him inexplicably just slipping/losing the ball constantly, what pissed me off the most was how after losing the ball, he would just throw his hands up/pout and not run back on defense. Meanwhile, his teammates would be hustling back and hes just standing there. That, beyond anything else, was my biggest issue with him.

The trying not to try part was my favorite quote in this 😂

Andre has so much wisdom, that’s why he was so valuable to the warriors

I think he would have been fine as a 6th man. I think they overestimated his role and gave him too many minutes, consequently felt they owed him a lot of money.

I really respect you guys and your contributions to basketball. I am not sure how JP will do in Washington without Klay and Steph spacing the floor. Regardless of the freedom that the Big 3 has, they were disciplined first or before the freedom. That freedom is slightly built off of that discipline or structure. I like JP but i felt that he was often out of control when he was frustrated resulting in TO's and poor decisions. At times I also felt that he was getting caught up in the hype / limelight resulting team breakdowns. I think he could be great, but I feel a lot will have to do with his maturity and growth from this point on. Also, he will not be at the Warriors organization which is going to be a different experience. It reminds me of Bynum leaving the Lakers. Bynum never played for another organization on the Laker's level.

Bottom line: to play with the warrior big 3 you have to take a role. Usually they get players on the downslope of their career who are willing and able to play their role. Poole just happened to be the one guy (so far) who was young and succeeded in a role. Problem was, he wasn’t on the downswing; he’s on an upward trajectory and grew beyond just a role. Sounds like warriors were promising him he’s be next but timing expectations were off … they wanted him to stay in his role and wait for things to progress with time and age … he wanted to start the transition right away. We see which side won out.

At the end of the day Poole was benched in the playoffs and a complete liability defensively. With Jordan Poole the biggest issue was his lack of effort on defense... and when he's having struggles on offense that issue is amplified 10x. Sucks that it played out the way it did but everyone won in the end... JP got paid and is now the #1 option on his team, Warriors got another championship.

Pooles 285 turnover was enough

JJ Redick is such an intelligent guy. Such a good podcaster its so entertaining to watch.

These three are a winning combo. Have them on again!

Andre is such a good basketball conversationalist.

Not for nothing Andre Igoudala is and has been one of my favorite people in the nba. Aside from him being an underrated monster in his prime he’s incredibly humble, a great locker room guy/ leader (according to ppl that have played with him) then on top of that he’s very candid and objective when he’s on podcasts. Not many people can walk the fine line of a harsh and open criticism all while keeping it completely professional/ respectful and iggy is definitely one of the few. If he chooses so, he’s going to have a great sport media career

Not all points are created equal when it comes to Jordan Poole. His lack of efficiency and ability to make others better is the main reason his scoring is not valued as much for a team with Championship aspirations. As much as he won the GSW a game in the finals he was also unplayable for multiple rounds of the playoffs because of his lack of defense and efficiency. 🤷🏾‍♂️ go figure..

I love discussions like this because these are players not very far removed from the league. Because I remember when JJ finally talked about his thoughts on tge Draymond punch to Poole, and JJ thought it looked like a young player who got paid and didn't want to put in the work and got checked for by a veteran. Right or wrong it's so interesting to hear these thoughts on players from guys just out of the league.

Andre was 100% correct on that effort comment. Only guys that played sports at the high levels would understand. When you see guys faking it to get out of situations. Jordan was doing that all last year on defense 😂

I can't wait to see Poole in DC. I don't think he's going to be a superstar, but he will light it up. His defense will always be sus. But it was obvious he mentally checked out of Golden State after the Draymond punch.

The problem with Jordan poole last postseason was he didn't try to incorporate the team. He was trying to pad his stats. He was playing selfish basketball. Look at anytime he took possession of the ball, in times he should have pasted the ball he would see the person open, try to become a highlight with a crossover and slip like water was on the court. He lost possession too many times of the ball because of carelessness and selfishness. They should have put kuminga on the court more, instead of him.

I have been waiting for someone credible to put words to the JP situation with the team this way for months!! Thank you as always Andre for finally being the person to speak facts. So much of the media around this is so mind boggled on the relationship or loves to only focus on the punch and some awful feud. NAH. JP a sniper but he's no second fiddle. The man was hitting half court bank shots in the finals, he needs a loose leash. But when you got 3 stars that need the same leeway, that multiplies the magnitude of JP coming down the floor and hitting a double hesi and the ball flying straight into the stands. I think there should be no love lost as he is that dude, and in 3-5 years this could've been his team, but no hate on him not wanting to wait on that.

What I will miss about JP is his surprising 😮creativity and fearlessness to shoot the winning shot or taking it to the rack… his confidence is his greatest asset… but just not for the Dubs… who grew impatient with him playing hero ball on O but zero ball on D.

I've always admired JJ's play, now I admire his take on a lot of subject matter regarding the nba

JJ, keep them both. Y'all's chemistry is crazy! And it's so informative!

1:48 this take on Jordan Poole 100% confirms everything I suspected when I watched him on the court. And ironic thing is that he is not smart enough to be a winner when he is given freedom. He didn’t recognize that he only did well before because he played within the system.
Smart defenders literally happy to go to Poole Island and bait him into doing the same mistakes.
Poole thinks that he is the 2nd leading scorer because he was 2nd best player, when the reality is that he was 2nd leading scorer because opponents picked him as their poison.

Please more of iguodala, the guy is awesome

As a Sixers fan Iggy has Always been my Guy and he dishes some hard truths that all us Philadelphian’s can relate to 😂

Ahhh... The former 76ers shooting guards podcast. Lovin' it 😂 Gotta get AI and Maxey on with these guys.

The thing with Poole and The Warriors is they wanted and needed him to be all things to the team. One minute he's the 6th man, the next they needed him to start in place of Steph and be the leading scorer! The next minute he's back on the bench and required to lead the 2nd unit which contained 2 two way players and two 2nd year players the coach didn't trust. No role consistency at all and a terrible roster and he was 23 years old with nowhere near the amount of experience the vets had. Washington will actually be good for him. The new player development coaches the Wizards have hired have developed 5 all star caliber players. Everyone from Kevin Durant and James Harden to Shai Gilegous-Alexander. They'll be able to help him develop in ways the Warriors couldn't.

Man i just love andre man you just feel that the brother is genuinely good

The thing about Iggy is that he is saying stuff that I haven’t heard other players say. Gold!

JJ and Iggy should 100% have a podcast with the two of them. They have great chemistry.

What so many people ignore is the fact that he was awful offensively and defensively last season. Sure the numbers looked good but no matter what lineup he was in he was a hindrance in some way and the numbers reflect that. The attitude problems as well as the fact that he is one of the worst decision makers and primary ball handlers in the league makes it all even worse.

Jordan Poole did not win game 5 , it was Andrew Wiggins who won that. Jordan had 14 pts, Andrew had 26 points, 13 rebounds.

Real warriors fans know that Jordan only played good when he started. He was reckless with the ball and made too many turnovers. He was never able to get over the Draymond incident. Which is understandable, but in order to play well as a team. You have to have team chemistry. His bad attitude is why he was let go. Him and Draymond would never be able to get along, so one of them had to go for the betterment of the team💯

The draymonds punch had a mental effect on jpoole but its not that much. Poole's performance on the championship run made coaches be aware of him. The lakers scouted him well and found out his court habits and tendencies and made him fumble the ball everytime.

I really think Jordan Poole is a talented player and was a vital piece to winning their ring, but the problem was that the Warriors gave him too much freedom to play the season after they won their championship and he got exposed for it. The more minutes he played, the more he showed his lowlights. From ill-advised shots, snobbing teammates after he got benched, to arguing with Kerr, DG and Steph during timeouts etc. They probably pulled the trigger on trading him knowing that it might probably be a great thought of getting CP3 to be the floor general and Curry to focus more on scoring.
However, I still think trading Poole was too early. He played some good games, some bad games but it wasn't worth just trading him away. Maybe the organization thought the Big 3's time's running out and they don't want to wait for their young talent to mature?

End of the day he forgot that it wasn’t his team, he wanted it to happen faster than allowed. I had high hopes that he would be able to take over after Steph slowed down but Steph still playing like he’s the MVP so I think the best move was to trade cuz Poole is too good to just use him on the second squad.

Bro the fact Draymond and some GS fan have successfully turned the situation around and made it seem like Poole is the reason for all of GSs struggles and he’s the one to blame is crazy. At this point you would think he threw the punch lmaooo. The main reason they lost was because Poole regressed after Draymond knocking him out, Klay was back to full health and was buns, Steph’s and Wiggins were out for a while, Draymond couldn’t hit a shot, and the biggest thing, they were small lmao. No size and small ball only took them so far

I think Poole going to Washington could actually be really good for him

A takeaway I have from this podcast is when they're talking abt Poole after winning the ring, questioning "why don't I get freedom like that? I'm proven already." That's the issue there. Jordan balled out in the 2021-22 season, but I remember he even regressed a bit back then, when klay came back into the rotation. Like I said, he did ball out that season, he did come up big plenty of times in the playoffs, and earned his bag. I think him getting that bag probably meant to him, that he was now gonna get the same treatment as Steph. Once he seen that wasn't the case, the attitude showed.
Now I get Jordan's frustrations. He's young and hungry. Steph's spot on the gsw throne at that time had Jordan poole's name reserved to sit next on it. Had Jordan kept up the work ethic and been a key role player like he was in 2022, the dynasty run coulda continued, and Poole coulda slowly and respectfully nudge out one of the splash bros in the starting and closing spots.

Poole is young and immature but very talented! He's very competitive and best curry in ft% but wasn't rewarded. I'm in interested to see what he's able to do with his own team now. Great trade for both teams in theory. They need a true point since Iggy and Livingston are gone... and somehow they couldn't replace them. Not loving the direction of the team resigning the core for 4 more years. They got beat down in the post season and on all their road games... it was time for a shake up.

First time watching JJs podcast. This is more fun than watching First Take.

Love hearing Iggy speak. What a legend

Three of you have a chemistry you should let ride out a few more episodes.

This is kinda disrespectful for everyone in this discussion to keep saying Poole was 2nd in scoring, when he was actually 3rd. For a player to come back after 2 years, no offseason training, only to then lead the league in 3 pointers, averaging 22ppg is crazy to me.

He was a huge part of why they won a chip… they couldn’t have done it without Poole

JJ you are the man. Love your content and views on the game - You keep it real and do not bow down to goofballs not to name names but Steven A _ i sincerely hope to see a LOT more from you.

Poole had the 4th most turnovers last season. If we compared his total minutes per turnover, to Trae Young, Edwards, and Westbrook who have higher turnovers. I think he would top the list. (him and westbrick are actually close in turnover per minute played. But Westbrook has higher apg, rpg, spg, and bpg than Poole.

This is the first time I've heard Iggy speak at length in this kind of setting and I gotta say, I love his personality.

Same people saying trade klay and draymond to keep Poole is the same people that would’ve been clowning them if they did that and gave up their defensive leader despite what they had going on behind the scenes doesn’t change the fact he underperformed poorly in the post season, and yes you can say klay did as well but it’s understandable because klay will never be the same he suffered a career ending injury, the only thing hurt about Poole was his EGO.

What I couldnt stand the most about watching Poole play besides the turnovers was his reaction to losing especially when he was a big factor, he didn't care , you see him on the bench smiling and joking while the majority of the team looked pissed!

Poole is a good player taking good shots. But when he learns the difference between good shots and great shots, he’ll unlock into something else

Poole was a lot more smooth and efficient before. He started playing as if he was the only player on the court. He would make five or six moves with no one guarding him.

André hás been the key to the Warriors championship. He is the most underrated player, he is amazing, I put him right under Curry for most impactful player.

I've never watched a professional ball player slip as many times as JP, and I'm not even exaggerating. If you watched enough Warrior games, you'd know Jordan Poole slipping and losing the ball in a game is almost as certain as death and taxes.

The trying not to part was my favorite quote in this 😂😅

Apart from his frequent mishandling or loss of the ball, what frustrated me the most was his reaction afterward. Instead of hustling back on defense, he would often throw his hands up or pout, leaving his teammates to pick up the slack. This, above all else, was my primary concern with him. 😤🏀

Andre Iguodala is always on point! Love the brother

Happy to hear from you guys 🏀 such wisdom

JJ got it spot on. GSW need another Shaun Livingston archetypal PG type player off the bench. The only issue is Klay isn't what he used to be so Wiggins or someone else has to step up scoring wise.

Never a dull moment hearing Iggy talk about the game of basketball

Andre, you da man!! I love your perspective, and I am so happy you came back to the Warriors. Love your insight!

Poole reminds me of something Phil Jackson said: Jordan would get his points every night within the flow of the offense; Kobe on the other hand would force it to the point it would become detrimental to the Lakers. I think this became a really big issue for the Warriors as they run a super tight offensive system.

Love the show JJ glad to have ya back.

Piggy was one of my favorite players when he was in the court. Always showed up. Could easily change what’s taking place on court. Much respect.

I tried to watch almost every game last season and I did watch every single one in the playoffs. Poole's lack of effort and his attitude were palpable. That kind of mindset is toxic for a team. Punched by Draymond or not (and I would not be surprised if his attitude was the reason for the punch to begin with), I am glad he is gone DESPITE how incredible he was in the 21-22 playoffs.

Poole going to the wizards is going to mature his game since he can play freely, we seen what he can do when the warriors was on there championship run. He gonna be great

Iggy confirms what we suspected. JP got too ambitious too soon but didnt want to put in the work and it showed...he was lazy on the floor and was often slacking during practices as well...GSW made a big mistake with him...

In the Warrior organization's point of view, the main point is about "are you really the future of the team"?. J Poole has proven himself to be a valuable piece of the team but has he proven himself to be "the future of the team"? The clear answer is unfortunately no. The Warrior organization saw him as a no, and the players also saw him as a no.

I actually glad that JP traded to Wizards, last year JP in the situation that no matter how good he played, he still cannot start cause Kerr just going start Klay over him due to his past glory. Klay shot 3/19 but Kerr had no issue and still let him keep shooting. Draymond made dumb pass that cost the game, Kerr had no issue. This Warriors culture just not as good as people thought. Who else these vets going to blame if they still get out second round.🤔

Thank you, as usual, for standing up on this point. #podcast

It sounds like Steph didn’t want him scoring too much and Klay was upset with Poole outshining him

No wonder Iggy has a high IQ. The guy is smart. On point. Fun to listen to. The veteran presence that every team needs.

JP3 did understand his role is the issue... he was never the now starter, but he was getting starter player minutes on the floor.
He should have understood that he was the young players Steph Curry and should have focused on leading the bench and when time goes he would be the starter

Poole was worth $15 mill max yearly. The $125mill deal was almost as bad as the Gobert contract.

That "trying not to try" quote were genious.

So true about Lou lol this why Raptors didn't even blink twice to resign him in 15-16

I hope he’s an all star in the future!

Im surprised that he felt that way, I fsfs thought he wouldn’t care if he got less touches. I feel if the punch never happened he would’ve loved to sacrifice for the team

@5:47
"Jordan, it looks like your trying not to try. Do you know how much energy it takes to try to not to try? It takes less energy to try!"
Wowww! Now that's wisdom that you can apply in life. I need this. Thanks Iggy!

Pooles 285 turnover was enough 😆.

He is rough understanding what it takes to win makes you know what are the sacrifices needed to win

Jaylen Rose said the day of the punch that Poole and Green would never be the same again. MAYBE if the Warriors actually punished Green, that would have helped Poole.

Also Poole did NOTHING to add to his bag in the off season after the championship win he rested on his laurels and teams made a HUGE scouting report on him come playoff time and he was exposed badly on offense and defense when you a up and coming player like he was and make great season for yourself and got clout etc etc ALWAYS come back better the next season than last

Shoutout iggy for keeping it real. Need more of this

Can’t help but wonder how much this mirrors Kawhi in San Antonio. I know there were differences over injury management, but did KL feel like he wasn’t getting fair treatment for lifting three future HOFers to their last chip? I don’t think the warriors miss out on championships with JP gone, but what about the Spurs without KL? Don’t mean to pull attention from this story, but it is easy to lose sleep when thinking about the ways that winning a championship can create an identity crisis for a team’s ‘core’ players

I mean I understand his frustration but he doesn’t look happier with the wizards. To win you must sacrifice. If his mouth didn’t get him in trouble he really could of took over that franchise in 2-3 years easy. Tragic loss

That punch prolly the boiling point for JP. He feels disrespected, overlooked, and for some cases not their best option.
That’s why in ‘22 - ‘23 szn instead of proving that he can take that next step, he’s emotion got the best of him and lose his focus and eventually got traded.
But hey JP now has the freedom that he wants it’s really up to him if he can take off this szn.

When it comes to the freedom part of the conversation, do you think Poole's overall contribution to the team is a) deserved of said freedom he wants, and b)would him having that freedom play out as a positive or negative for the TEAM?

“It takes less energy to try”
😂😂😂

Draymond chased Durant out and then alienated the up and comers. Kerr admitted he couldn’t control Dray, and failed to protect Poole, bring Kuminga along, and start facing the future. It’s downhill from here for the Dubs.

Imagine an NBA locker room where all the dudes were emotionally mature. Is that possible?

I think Jordan Poole got cocky. It’s probably the reason why Draymond punched him. Warriors paid him a bag to emulate the same performance during that championship run and he basically tried to step out that role and did whatever tf he wanted

The fact is Draymond knew his value because he connects well with Steph, where the latter depends on Dray to feed him. The dubs are definitely gonna choose Dray over anyone else just to keep Steph productive

Poole did have a lot of floor time 😂

My issue is jordan should of never thought he had any freedom that vets have. Regardless of what he was doing he came to a established championship franchise. 3:50

Let’s set the horrid defense Poole plays aside, offensively he’s a huge liability and an asset to the other team. He dribbled around aimlessly hunting for his shot, and just gets into trouble, putting up garbage that misses. He was given freedom offensively, and he abused it so badly they had to take it away

I think they overestimated his role and gave him too much time and therefore felt they owed him a lot of money

Turners voice surprises me every time even though I know it’s coming.

Jordan Poole is a great 6th man. If he’s your 2nd or third option you’re not probably not getting out of the 1st round.